What are people saying about health
reform beyond the beltway and outside the health wonk debates?
I’ve been meeting with Rotary Clubs and local Chambers of Commerce
during the last several months, and they’re talking about different
issues than the ones being debated in Washington, DC. When I talk
with these groups about the prospects for national health reform, what
are the top three questions they ask?
These are not the top issues being
debated on Capitol Hill. If you just read Politico.com, the Washington
Post, and the pundits’ blogs, you would think that the big issues
are the public plan option, the employer mandate, and the cap on the
tax exclusion of employer-paid benefits. There are important,
but they aren’t the issues that most small employers and consumers
are worried about.
Let’s take each of these in turn.
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Comments
I am going to state the obvious and point out that Rotary Clubs and local Chambers are not populated by and large by government workers, labor, or well anyone who is a Democrate. The R's lost the election and so their issues are no longer on the top of the agenda.
People on the other side of the aisle do discuss and discuss and discus the issues you raised but they aren't trying to solve the problem they are just reacting from fear.
Here are some more myth busters.
Myth: Canada is a socialized health care system in which the government runs hospitals and where doctors work for the government.Princeton University health economist Uwe Reinhardt says single-payer systems are not "socialized medicine" but "social insurance" systems because doctors work in the private sector while their pay comes from a public source. Most physicians in Canada are self-employed. They are not employees of the government nor are they accountable to the government. Doctors are accountable to their patients only. More than 90 percent of physicians in Canada are paid on a fee-for-service basis. Claims are submitted to a single provincial health care plan for reimbursement, whereas in the U.S., claims are submitted to a multitude of insurance providers. Moreover, Canadian hospitals are controlled by private boards and/or regional health authorities rather than being part of or run by the government.
Myth: There are no waits for care in the US. Try to get an appointment with a Dermatologist, (2 months) Orthopedic surgeon (if for back pain you won't see one unless you go to the hospital owned by them) or cardiologist (3 months to get in to see one at Swedish Medical center) in Seattle. If you go through and ER it is often faster but not much if it a referral
People think that in Canada there are long waits for care, which compromise access to care.There are no waits for urgent or primary care in Canada. There are reasonable waits for most specialists' care, and much longer waits for elective surgery. . However, the wait has nothing to do with money per se, but everything to do with the lack of some specialists. radiation therapists.
Despite such waits, however, it is noteworthy that Canada boasts lower incident and mortality rates than the U.S. for all cancers combined, according to the U.S. Cancer Statistics Working Group and the Canadian Cancer Society. Moreover, fewer Canadians (11.3 percent) than Americans (14.4 percent) admit unmet health care needs.
Posted by: Myth Buster | Jun 17, 2009 8:07:15 AM
Regarding tort reform and health care reform, why is it that we always talk about the way providers are paid and how that drives up cost (which I agree) and we never talk about the way trial lawyers are paid (percentage of awards) and how that drives up the malpractice costs?
Posted by: Steven Waldren | Jun 17, 2009 8:14:28 AM
Those of you screaming about potential tax increases to fund universal health care ... wouldn't you rather pay for that than some fat-cat's bonus? The system has been broken for a long time and fixing it won't be cheap. The engine light on the health care car has been ignored too long; after neglecting pay-as-you-go $25 oil changes, the motor either needs to be replaced or it's time to buy a new car. Can't afford it? Too bad. If you need transportation, you'll just have to find a way to suck it up. If you keep your lemon and replace the parts piece by piece, over time, you will have invested at least double the original price of your car despite it's depreciated value. Examine the health care systems of other countries, pick the top two and then decide. Money is a moot point- we either continue to strangle ourselves with higher premiums/out-of-pockets and pay higher taxes to cover those who are excluded, or pay the same in taxes to cover everyone. Get over it! If you're one of the screamers, all you're doing in the long-run is delaying the change and supporting on-going profits for the A.M.A., malpractice attorneys, drug companies, insurance companies, for profit hospitals....
Posted by: Michelle from Iowa | Jun 17, 2009 8:32:08 AM
I"m not in the heartland, but in a traditional liberal area of the Northeast US where the big issue is concern about losing employer-based health insurance due to affordability. The themes we're hearing in Congress and from the Obama adminstration are very much music to our ears.
Posted by: Health Plan Veteran | Jun 17, 2009 8:46:14 AM
Bill - I disagree with your point that the payment model has a far bigger impact on overutilization than defensive medicine. You are assuming that a large percentage of physicians have financial incentives to order diagnostic tests. That's definitely not the case in my local area and I can't imagine it is in many other areas.
Posted by: Deron S. | Jun 17, 2009 4:09:14 PM
As an ER doc I can say that 98% of CT scans are defensive and 90% of chest pain admissions are defensive.
The northeast is used to sponging off the rest of the country, so why should health insurance be any different.
With this president the "illegals' will not be illegal forever.
Canada has different utilization of healthcare, so they will have different data than the US. Anyone moving to Canada for the healthcare?
Posted by: MD as HELL | Jun 17, 2009 4:55:41 PM
"many people are convinced that Obama and Kennedy are secretly pushing for a government-run plan."
Would this maybe be becuase Ted Kennedy has been pushing for government ran plans for 35 years? He clearly said he wanted HMOs to take over healthcare becuase they are federally regualted. He has been pushing for government care for almost 4 decades and you expect the public to just ignore this?
Obama has also said he wants government controlled healthcare.
Posted by: Nate | Jun 17, 2009 6:34:30 PM
"The northeast is used to sponging off the rest of the country, so why should health insurance be any different.
MD, here are the FACTS.
http://www.seattlepi.com/opinion/211080_sciglianomoney.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/29/AR2009052901548.html
Deron, did you not read this?
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande
Posted by: Peter | Jun 18, 2009 4:09:57 AM
The Canadian doctor waiting times are not as bad as one might suspect, especially in major cities. Wait times, especially for medicare and medicaid patients in the US, are long too.
Malpractice is a bigger issue in the US than in Canada, though. Canadian doctors are surprised at how much overtesting occurs in the US, especially given for the most part, the doctor has no financial interest in the testing. As a physician who trained in Canada and now practice in the US, I practice defensive medicine much, much more here across the border than in the great white north. I was never threatened with a lawsuit while in Canada - it's simply not part of the culture. Here, I get threatned with one whenever I disagree with a patient, especially if they want extra vicodin or percocet.
I wonder how much of the malpractice problem is cultural, in that while other countries mediate disputes in a genteel way, Americans duke them out in court. Either way, at least this side of the border, defensive medicine is here to stay, and we all end up paying for it.
Posted by: Greg | Jun 19, 2009 10:40:11 AM
Peter - I read the Gawande article the day it came out, but it is only one article, looking at one area of the country, and focused on one cost driver. It does not serve as a complete picture by any stretch of the imagination.
Posted by: Deron S. | Jun 20, 2009 9:29:21 AM
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